1 00:00:08,470 --> 00:00:04,309 hi everyone and welcome to that ufo 2 00:00:09,750 --> 00:00:08,480 podcast live on youtube joining me is 3 00:00:12,310 --> 00:00:09,760 meant to be dan 4 00:00:14,230 --> 00:00:12,320 who isn't quite here yet over from the 5 00:00:15,270 --> 00:00:14,240 live chat of the the brandon fugle 6 00:00:16,390 --> 00:00:15,280 interview 7 00:00:18,150 --> 00:00:16,400 if you're joining us straight from 8 00:00:19,590 --> 00:00:18,160 brandon's interview thank you very much 9 00:00:21,590 --> 00:00:19,600 people are just getting on board hello 10 00:00:23,189 --> 00:00:21,600 to everyone in the live chat if you're 11 00:00:26,070 --> 00:00:23,199 listening to this on the audio then 12 00:00:27,990 --> 00:00:26,080 hello i have dan in the green room he's 13 00:00:30,790 --> 00:00:28,000 just getting his makeup done give him a 14 00:00:31,990 --> 00:00:30,800 second yep putting down a starbucks yet 15 00:00:34,870 --> 00:00:32,000 the production team have gave him the 16 00:00:38,709 --> 00:00:34,880 go-ahead and they're sending him in now 17 00:00:40,709 --> 00:00:38,719 and the crowd goes mild hi dan welcome 18 00:00:43,110 --> 00:00:40,719 yeah how's it going 19 00:00:44,630 --> 00:00:43,120 it's going good i i left the live chat a 20 00:00:46,470 --> 00:00:44,640 minute or two early on brandon's side 21 00:00:49,029 --> 00:00:46,480 because we have a guest waiting and so 22 00:00:50,549 --> 00:00:49,039 i've been chatting to it's no surprise 23 00:00:52,229 --> 00:00:50,559 that i've not that it's not a good one 24 00:00:53,430 --> 00:00:52,239 but you know people know i've announced 25 00:00:54,630 --> 00:00:53,440 that he's coming in but we'll just bring 26 00:00:56,709 --> 00:00:54,640 him in now 27 00:00:59,110 --> 00:00:56,719 yeah let's do it yeah oh very quickly 28 00:01:01,029 --> 00:00:59,120 though happy birthday to crash band 69 29 00:01:03,349 --> 00:01:01,039 in the live chat it was it was in there 30 00:01:05,670 --> 00:01:03,359 before so very very happy birthday happy 31 00:01:08,230 --> 00:01:05,680 birthday yeah yeah without further ado 32 00:01:11,670 --> 00:01:08,240 though uh mr chris plane from the 33 00:01:14,310 --> 00:01:11,680 debrief joins us chris 34 00:01:16,469 --> 00:01:14,320 how are we i'm great hey yeah dan is 35 00:01:17,910 --> 00:01:16,479 this the first time we've met it is yeah 36 00:01:19,270 --> 00:01:17,920 i was just going to say chris it's 37 00:01:20,469 --> 00:01:19,280 lovely to meet you i missed you last 38 00:01:23,590 --> 00:01:20,479 time 39 00:01:25,590 --> 00:01:23,600 for you now man you know 40 00:01:27,429 --> 00:01:25,600 yeah right i finally moved up a notch 41 00:01:29,270 --> 00:01:27,439 you know 42 00:01:31,270 --> 00:01:29,280 i'll just sit here 43 00:01:32,230 --> 00:01:31,280 yeah yeah 44 00:01:34,310 --> 00:01:32,240 yeah 45 00:01:36,069 --> 00:01:34,320 have you seen obi-wan yet chris uh you 46 00:01:38,149 --> 00:01:36,079 know what all right so if they popped 47 00:01:39,910 --> 00:01:38,159 him on early last night they have not i 48 00:01:41,429 --> 00:01:39,920 was really debating it it was right 49 00:01:42,950 --> 00:01:41,439 around like midnight when i was thinking 50 00:01:44,630 --> 00:01:42,960 about it and i said i have like five 51 00:01:46,069 --> 00:01:44,640 interviews today 52 00:01:47,830 --> 00:01:46,079 and they have a big story coming and i 53 00:01:49,350 --> 00:01:47,840 just said man i don't think i can do it 54 00:01:50,389 --> 00:01:49,360 so no 55 00:01:52,149 --> 00:01:50,399 i'm off 56 00:01:54,630 --> 00:01:52,159 off with you guys i have christina and 57 00:01:56,789 --> 00:01:54,640 then i have somebody else at like six 58 00:01:58,230 --> 00:01:56,799 and then at like seven eight pm i told 59 00:02:00,469 --> 00:01:58,240 my wife so i'm laying on the couch and 60 00:02:03,109 --> 00:02:00,479 watching both ob ones and doing nothing 61 00:02:04,870 --> 00:02:03,119 so yeah i love that i love it it's such 62 00:02:06,550 --> 00:02:04,880 a big day in terms of releasing uap 63 00:02:08,630 --> 00:02:06,560 footage and stuff but still we're we're 64 00:02:11,270 --> 00:02:08,640 just human you know we have other things 65 00:02:13,510 --> 00:02:11,280 see my this is my star wars revenge of 66 00:02:16,390 --> 00:02:13,520 the jedi poster behind me so i'm a star 67 00:02:17,750 --> 00:02:16,400 wars nerd for sure so man like no spirit 68 00:02:20,790 --> 00:02:17,760 is for me but i think you're gonna love 69 00:02:23,589 --> 00:02:20,800 it awesome awesome yeah it was 50 50 on 70 00:02:25,510 --> 00:02:23,599 boba fett it was all right so i'm i'm i 71 00:02:26,949 --> 00:02:25,520 love the mandalorian so i think high 72 00:02:28,390 --> 00:02:26,959 hopes for this 73 00:02:29,910 --> 00:02:28,400 listen it's it's been a big day for 74 00:02:32,229 --> 00:02:29,920 geeks in general like you say because 75 00:02:33,509 --> 00:02:32,239 stranger things i believe dropped i saw 76 00:02:35,430 --> 00:02:33,519 graham rendell talking about that 77 00:02:37,990 --> 00:02:35,440 earlier yep the new star wars will be 78 00:02:40,710 --> 00:02:38,000 one series dropped and there was a small 79 00:02:43,110 --> 00:02:40,720 matter of uh a video and article being 80 00:02:44,630 --> 00:02:43,120 released today by the debrief um which 81 00:02:46,710 --> 00:02:44,640 we're going to talk about because that 82 00:02:48,550 --> 00:02:46,720 was something you uh had a part to play 83 00:02:50,390 --> 00:02:48,560 didn't you chris along with tim mcmillan 84 00:02:53,190 --> 00:02:50,400 and micah hanks 85 00:02:54,949 --> 00:02:53,200 at the debrief um so just to recap folks 86 00:02:56,470 --> 00:02:54,959 you you should have seen by now but i 87 00:02:58,790 --> 00:02:56,480 appreciate some people may not have for 88 00:03:01,430 --> 00:02:58,800 example elizabeth in the chat at 6 30 89 00:03:02,710 --> 00:03:01,440 a.m over in australia just now so maybe 90 00:03:03,910 --> 00:03:02,720 things have happened during the night 91 00:03:06,149 --> 00:03:03,920 for some of the listeners for some of 92 00:03:07,830 --> 00:03:06,159 the folks watching um the debrief 93 00:03:09,350 --> 00:03:07,840 mentioned during the week i won't use 94 00:03:11,910 --> 00:03:09,360 the word hyped i don't think there was a 95 00:03:13,910 --> 00:03:11,920 lot of hype around this necessarily like 96 00:03:15,190 --> 00:03:13,920 we've had in the past for some but 97 00:03:16,869 --> 00:03:15,200 announced that you know what there's 98 00:03:18,390 --> 00:03:16,879 going to be an article dropping it's 99 00:03:20,470 --> 00:03:18,400 likely there's going to be one video as 100 00:03:22,309 --> 00:03:20,480 part of that and essentially what we got 101 00:03:25,750 --> 00:03:22,319 was an article today from the debrief 102 00:03:28,390 --> 00:03:25,760 but by tim by mica and by chris where uh 103 00:03:31,910 --> 00:03:28,400 we got a new video of what appears to be 104 00:03:34,070 --> 00:03:31,920 a uap relatively short video but it's 105 00:03:36,229 --> 00:03:34,080 it's uh multiplied and duplicated with 106 00:03:39,110 --> 00:03:36,239 different frames and uh different 107 00:03:41,830 --> 00:03:39,120 filters over the actual footage itself 108 00:03:44,229 --> 00:03:41,840 and filmed in november 2018 around 40 109 00:03:46,869 --> 00:03:44,239 miles from tucson arizona 110 00:03:48,550 --> 00:03:46,879 by an apache helicopter and its systems 111 00:03:50,149 --> 00:03:48,560 used on there 112 00:03:52,229 --> 00:03:50,159 how did this come about for you chris 113 00:03:55,670 --> 00:03:52,239 how long's this one been in the pipeline 114 00:03:58,789 --> 00:03:55,680 so this started back in january andy and 115 00:04:01,030 --> 00:03:58,799 uh we got contacted uh there are two 116 00:04:04,070 --> 00:04:01,040 gentlemen who do a relatively new 117 00:04:06,869 --> 00:04:04,080 podcast for the debrief named uh stefan 118 00:04:09,670 --> 00:04:06,879 gerhart and josh rutledge and they do 119 00:04:12,550 --> 00:04:09,680 the uh convergence enigma uh they do the 120 00:04:14,149 --> 00:04:12,560 paranormal fearscape podcast and they 121 00:04:16,229 --> 00:04:14,159 come on and been doing like a tech talk 122 00:04:18,550 --> 00:04:16,239 podcast for us and they reached out to 123 00:04:21,509 --> 00:04:18,560 me in january and said hey chris 124 00:04:24,390 --> 00:04:21,519 we just spoke to this guy andy and he's 125 00:04:27,189 --> 00:04:24,400 got this twitter i guess uh instagram 126 00:04:28,469 --> 00:04:27,199 account uh the nyuap 127 00:04:31,030 --> 00:04:28,479 discussion 128 00:04:33,030 --> 00:04:31,040 and he's got a whistleblower he has a 129 00:04:35,749 --> 00:04:33,040 guy inside the department of homeland 130 00:04:37,030 --> 00:04:35,759 security who was a border patrol agent 131 00:04:39,749 --> 00:04:37,040 who has 132 00:04:41,350 --> 00:04:39,759 already released some footage and has 133 00:04:42,390 --> 00:04:41,360 some more footage that he wants to 134 00:04:44,790 --> 00:04:42,400 release 135 00:04:47,110 --> 00:04:44,800 and he's finally ready to talk he's 136 00:04:49,749 --> 00:04:47,120 finally ready to put his story out 137 00:04:53,110 --> 00:04:49,759 now for me at that point i i gotta be 138 00:04:55,350 --> 00:04:53,120 honest the rubber duck video the a-10 139 00:04:57,110 --> 00:04:55,360 and the la brought the three that he had 140 00:04:59,350 --> 00:04:57,120 released already 141 00:05:01,749 --> 00:04:59,360 those had kind of come and gone and i 142 00:05:03,909 --> 00:05:01,759 hadn't noted them so 143 00:05:06,310 --> 00:05:03,919 because i write science at the debrief i 144 00:05:07,110 --> 00:05:06,320 do love ufos and i do definitely cover 145 00:05:09,189 --> 00:05:07,120 them 146 00:05:10,629 --> 00:05:09,199 but the bulk of what i write is not that 147 00:05:13,350 --> 00:05:10,639 category 148 00:05:15,110 --> 00:05:13,360 so i stay abreast i stay attuned 149 00:05:17,110 --> 00:05:15,120 but when they reached out to me and said 150 00:05:19,990 --> 00:05:17,120 this guy so i you know he's ready to 151 00:05:22,230 --> 00:05:20,000 come forward so uh 152 00:05:24,790 --> 00:05:22,240 i reached out to andy 153 00:05:26,070 --> 00:05:24,800 and he put me in touch with bob thompson 154 00:05:28,150 --> 00:05:26,080 bob is the 155 00:05:30,870 --> 00:05:28,160 uh department of homeland security uh 156 00:05:34,390 --> 00:05:30,880 customs and border patrol agent 157 00:05:36,550 --> 00:05:34,400 who is uh listed in the article 158 00:05:38,790 --> 00:05:36,560 and a couple key things came out even 159 00:05:40,629 --> 00:05:38,800 before we got started 160 00:05:42,629 --> 00:05:40,639 those three videos i mentioned before 161 00:05:43,990 --> 00:05:42,639 they had been on the internet and andy 162 00:05:47,189 --> 00:05:44,000 had put them up but they didn't really 163 00:05:48,870 --> 00:05:47,199 have any providence you know and we know 164 00:05:49,749 --> 00:05:48,880 anybody who spends any time on ufo 165 00:05:52,629 --> 00:05:49,759 twitter 166 00:05:54,469 --> 00:05:52,639 what i do in my free time is 167 00:05:57,909 --> 00:05:54,479 there's videos every day there's 168 00:06:00,790 --> 00:05:57,919 triangles and cgi this and that you just 169 00:06:03,350 --> 00:06:00,800 never know so when those came out they 170 00:06:06,710 --> 00:06:03,360 just kind of came and went past me real 171 00:06:08,469 --> 00:06:06,720 quick and i just didn't register them so 172 00:06:11,510 --> 00:06:08,479 when they told me oh it's the guy behind 173 00:06:13,350 --> 00:06:11,520 the rubber duck video i said okay 174 00:06:14,870 --> 00:06:13,360 and i tracked it down and i started 175 00:06:16,950 --> 00:06:14,880 watching stuff on the internet and i 176 00:06:19,110 --> 00:06:16,960 started doing research and i said okay 177 00:06:21,029 --> 00:06:19,120 there might be something here 178 00:06:23,430 --> 00:06:21,039 so i had that initial conversation with 179 00:06:25,189 --> 00:06:23,440 bob and andy 180 00:06:27,189 --> 00:06:25,199 and by the end i was on with them for 181 00:06:29,029 --> 00:06:27,199 over an hour and uh recorded the whole 182 00:06:30,469 --> 00:06:29,039 thing some of those quotes actually made 183 00:06:32,309 --> 00:06:30,479 the story 184 00:06:34,309 --> 00:06:32,319 and at the end of the conversation i 185 00:06:35,909 --> 00:06:34,319 knew we had something i knew you know 186 00:06:37,270 --> 00:06:35,919 when you interview people especially 187 00:06:39,110 --> 00:06:37,280 when you write news stories which i've 188 00:06:41,350 --> 00:06:39,120 been doing now for a year and a half 189 00:06:42,629 --> 00:06:41,360 you can really often tell pretty early 190 00:06:44,390 --> 00:06:42,639 on if you're dealing with somebody who 191 00:06:46,469 --> 00:06:44,400 has an agenda or somebody who's 192 00:06:48,710 --> 00:06:46,479 legitimately just telling you something 193 00:06:51,189 --> 00:06:48,720 and there was no doubt in my mind that 194 00:06:53,670 --> 00:06:51,199 bob was who he said he was that he was 195 00:06:56,309 --> 00:06:53,680 uh this you know had this pedigree 196 00:06:58,070 --> 00:06:56,319 and what he told me was 197 00:07:00,790 --> 00:06:58,080 chris these videos are the tip of the 198 00:07:03,110 --> 00:07:00,800 iceberg he said we're seeing this all 199 00:07:05,749 --> 00:07:03,120 the time i've seen things 200 00:07:08,469 --> 00:07:05,759 pilots and again the way it works here 201 00:07:09,430 --> 00:07:08,479 in the states is for them to patrol the 202 00:07:11,350 --> 00:07:09,440 border 203 00:07:13,749 --> 00:07:11,360 they have the department of homeland 204 00:07:16,150 --> 00:07:13,759 security kind of overseeing it all you 205 00:07:18,469 --> 00:07:16,160 have national guard airplanes which are 206 00:07:20,230 --> 00:07:18,479 basically military airplanes and then 207 00:07:22,550 --> 00:07:20,240 you have customs and border patrol 208 00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:22,560 officers on those planes 209 00:07:26,469 --> 00:07:24,240 reading the equipment looking for 210 00:07:29,670 --> 00:07:26,479 smugglers and human trafficking and 211 00:07:31,029 --> 00:07:29,680 other crimes along the border 212 00:07:32,870 --> 00:07:31,039 so 213 00:07:35,510 --> 00:07:32,880 he told me he says this is across the 214 00:07:37,430 --> 00:07:35,520 board pilots are seeing things agents 215 00:07:39,430 --> 00:07:37,440 are seeing things people that operate 216 00:07:41,909 --> 00:07:39,440 this equipment and something else he 217 00:07:44,390 --> 00:07:41,919 told me that made the story was just the 218 00:07:46,869 --> 00:07:44,400 sheer volume of time these guys spend on 219 00:07:49,830 --> 00:07:46,879 this equipment and the number of things 220 00:07:52,230 --> 00:07:49,840 they have to discern they have a cia air 221 00:07:54,950 --> 00:07:52,240 base right where they are there's an air 222 00:07:57,029 --> 00:07:54,960 force facility i believe and he just 223 00:07:58,550 --> 00:07:57,039 told me says we see everything you name 224 00:08:00,309 --> 00:07:58,560 type of airplane 225 00:08:01,270 --> 00:08:00,319 type of drone 226 00:08:02,710 --> 00:08:01,280 animal 227 00:08:05,029 --> 00:08:02,720 jackrabbits 228 00:08:08,150 --> 00:08:05,039 you know i mean quadcopters predator 229 00:08:09,589 --> 00:08:08,160 jump you name it we see it and we just 230 00:08:11,990 --> 00:08:09,599 know what it looks like it's what we 231 00:08:13,670 --> 00:08:12,000 look at all day the comparison he used 232 00:08:15,670 --> 00:08:13,680 for me is like a radiologist looking at 233 00:08:16,790 --> 00:08:15,680 x-rays all day they know what a tumor 234 00:08:18,309 --> 00:08:16,800 looks like 235 00:08:20,150 --> 00:08:18,319 and all of a sudden he's seeing 236 00:08:21,990 --> 00:08:20,160 something on his camera that he just 237 00:08:23,670 --> 00:08:22,000 doesn't know what it is 238 00:08:25,189 --> 00:08:23,680 and these other agents are telling him 239 00:08:27,830 --> 00:08:25,199 the same thing 240 00:08:30,550 --> 00:08:27,840 so he reached out to agents and said 241 00:08:33,589 --> 00:08:30,560 hey we have no formal method to report 242 00:08:35,670 --> 00:08:33,599 this bring this stuff to me 243 00:08:39,190 --> 00:08:35,680 he went to his bosses at the border 244 00:08:41,029 --> 00:08:39,200 patrol and said i'd like to essentially 245 00:08:43,829 --> 00:08:41,039 create an a tip and that's what happened 246 00:08:46,470 --> 00:08:43,839 he saw the 2017 reports 247 00:08:48,230 --> 00:08:46,480 and he learned about atip and he said 248 00:08:50,070 --> 00:08:48,240 we're a uniformed 249 00:08:52,230 --> 00:08:50,080 militarized service 250 00:08:54,470 --> 00:08:52,240 who's seeing these uaps 251 00:08:55,750 --> 00:08:54,480 on american soil and above american soil 252 00:08:58,070 --> 00:08:55,760 we're not talking in the middle of the 253 00:08:59,509 --> 00:08:58,080 ocean like the navy or off the coast 254 00:09:01,350 --> 00:08:59,519 we're talking right along the border 255 00:09:03,190 --> 00:09:01,360 between arizona and mexico which is 256 00:09:05,269 --> 00:09:03,200 where he was working 257 00:09:07,110 --> 00:09:05,279 so sure enough 258 00:09:09,190 --> 00:09:07,120 agents started bringing him stuff and 259 00:09:11,910 --> 00:09:09,200 telling him stuff and as he pointed out 260 00:09:14,310 --> 00:09:11,920 all four of these videos he's released 261 00:09:15,190 --> 00:09:14,320 were not he wasn't on the plane for any 262 00:09:17,829 --> 00:09:15,200 of them 263 00:09:20,470 --> 00:09:17,839 so these are representative of the work 264 00:09:23,110 --> 00:09:20,480 of multiple agents and multiple pilots 265 00:09:25,269 --> 00:09:23,120 seeing things and he he went to his 266 00:09:27,670 --> 00:09:25,279 bosses they gave him the okay he wrote 267 00:09:29,750 --> 00:09:27,680 up what's called an issue paper and uh 268 00:09:31,350 --> 00:09:29,760 he essentially retired he retired in 269 00:09:34,230 --> 00:09:31,360 january of this year 270 00:09:35,910 --> 00:09:34,240 but it is his belief that uh that that 271 00:09:37,509 --> 00:09:35,920 started the ball rolling and that the 272 00:09:40,389 --> 00:09:37,519 department of homeland and the border 273 00:09:42,949 --> 00:09:40,399 patrol uh are putting together uh 274 00:09:45,190 --> 00:09:42,959 essentially reporting procedures 275 00:09:46,790 --> 00:09:45,200 so just like in the navy and hopefully 276 00:09:48,150 --> 00:09:46,800 in the other branches of the military 277 00:09:51,110 --> 00:09:48,160 here in the states 278 00:09:53,590 --> 00:09:51,120 these guys have a way to avoid stigma 279 00:09:54,949 --> 00:09:53,600 and go ahead and report encounters when 280 00:09:57,910 --> 00:09:54,959 they have them 281 00:10:01,030 --> 00:09:57,920 i think that's really important dan 282 00:10:03,269 --> 00:10:01,040 hi uh i'm going i'm gonna ask you uh 283 00:10:04,710 --> 00:10:03,279 what were your thoughts on on the video 284 00:10:06,230 --> 00:10:04,720 i was kind of working at the time and we 285 00:10:08,310 --> 00:10:06,240 were texting and going back and forward 286 00:10:09,750 --> 00:10:08,320 in the group chats and stuff but um you 287 00:10:11,110 --> 00:10:09,760 you read the article you've seen the 288 00:10:13,509 --> 00:10:11,120 video what were your kind of instant 289 00:10:15,350 --> 00:10:13,519 takeaways i mean if if it was possible 290 00:10:16,710 --> 00:10:15,360 to burn out a digital file by watching 291 00:10:19,110 --> 00:10:16,720 it too much i would have done that 292 00:10:20,630 --> 00:10:19,120 already uh it's a really interesting 293 00:10:22,069 --> 00:10:20,640 video it starts 294 00:10:24,230 --> 00:10:22,079 you know you you look like you're just 295 00:10:26,710 --> 00:10:24,240 looking at aircraft through through uh a 296 00:10:29,110 --> 00:10:26,720 system and as they get nearer 297 00:10:31,190 --> 00:10:29,120 the way that these three objects move 298 00:10:33,670 --> 00:10:31,200 around each other is extremely 299 00:10:34,949 --> 00:10:33,680 interesting because they they exhibit 300 00:10:37,269 --> 00:10:34,959 basically 301 00:10:39,030 --> 00:10:37,279 g forces that if there was a person 302 00:10:40,630 --> 00:10:39,040 inside i mean one one we can't make 303 00:10:42,470 --> 00:10:40,640 anything that moves like that two i 304 00:10:44,470 --> 00:10:42,480 thought it was interesting that 305 00:10:46,310 --> 00:10:44,480 they kind of sling around each other 306 00:10:48,230 --> 00:10:46,320 like like an orbit as opposed to a 307 00:10:50,389 --> 00:10:48,240 smooth arc you know it's like there's 308 00:10:53,829 --> 00:10:50,399 something in the middle there um 309 00:10:55,430 --> 00:10:53,839 and and it's free it appears that 310 00:10:57,190 --> 00:10:55,440 you know if there was a human in there 311 00:10:59,430 --> 00:10:57,200 they would just be turned to goo that's 312 00:11:00,870 --> 00:10:59,440 all that would happen and and it's real 313 00:11:02,230 --> 00:11:00,880 interesting because 314 00:11:04,230 --> 00:11:02,240 it's one of those videos that you look 315 00:11:06,470 --> 00:11:04,240 at and you just kind of go whoa things 316 00:11:07,910 --> 00:11:06,480 we make don't move that way what's that 317 00:11:09,350 --> 00:11:07,920 you know 318 00:11:11,110 --> 00:11:09,360 it looks like an advert for top gun 319 00:11:12,949 --> 00:11:11,120 you're right the new movie um available 320 00:11:14,310 --> 00:11:12,959 in cinemas now we're not being sponsored 321 00:11:15,990 --> 00:11:14,320 or paid by them but i hear it's very 322 00:11:17,829 --> 00:11:16,000 good um but like you see you've got that 323 00:11:19,350 --> 00:11:17,839 kind of gun cam footage that a layman 324 00:11:20,870 --> 00:11:19,360 like myself would call it even though 325 00:11:23,110 --> 00:11:20,880 that is not what it is 326 00:11:24,470 --> 00:11:23,120 and you can see basically that they are 327 00:11:26,550 --> 00:11:24,480 they're filming they're not really doing 328 00:11:29,030 --> 00:11:26,560 too much and then and they can atop 329 00:11:31,269 --> 00:11:29,040 right of the the picture three objects 330 00:11:33,590 --> 00:11:31,279 which to be fair i miss it first when i 331 00:11:35,030 --> 00:11:33,600 first watched it i was like i i didn't 332 00:11:35,990 --> 00:11:35,040 see anything there but they were talking 333 00:11:37,590 --> 00:11:36,000 about it 334 00:11:39,190 --> 00:11:37,600 yeah and then you realize the video 335 00:11:40,710 --> 00:11:39,200 overlaps and over and over so it keeps 336 00:11:42,949 --> 00:11:40,720 playing and keeps playing and 337 00:11:45,190 --> 00:11:42,959 it loops and the filter's changing and 338 00:11:46,710 --> 00:11:45,200 it shows you the three objects but then 339 00:11:48,710 --> 00:11:46,720 i never noticed again the second or 340 00:11:50,629 --> 00:11:48,720 third time that they move and look 341 00:11:52,949 --> 00:11:50,639 and then there's that movement which is 342 00:11:55,190 --> 00:11:52,959 very very interesting it's in a sort of 343 00:11:57,110 --> 00:11:55,200 loose triangular formation the looping 344 00:11:58,870 --> 00:11:57,120 happens and then as it moves on past it 345 00:12:00,550 --> 00:11:58,880 goes back into formation 346 00:12:03,269 --> 00:12:00,560 and that's it that that's the end of the 347 00:12:06,150 --> 00:12:03,279 video is it astonishing when you just 348 00:12:07,990 --> 00:12:06,160 watch the video no however there is a 349 00:12:10,790 --> 00:12:08,000 context to it and like you say with some 350 00:12:13,350 --> 00:12:10,800 of the quotes within the article as well 351 00:12:15,030 --> 00:12:13,360 it gives that kind of extra credibility 352 00:12:17,030 --> 00:12:15,040 to it i think i said to people before 353 00:12:18,949 --> 00:12:17,040 this even came out as i've said every 354 00:12:20,150 --> 00:12:18,959 single time we get a drop of anything 355 00:12:22,389 --> 00:12:20,160 from anyone 356 00:12:25,190 --> 00:12:22,399 temper your expectations don't be 357 00:12:27,750 --> 00:12:25,200 expecting hd videos of tic tacs 40 feet 358 00:12:29,430 --> 00:12:27,760 off of pilot's wings we're not getting 359 00:12:32,389 --> 00:12:29,440 that anytime soon 360 00:12:34,470 --> 00:12:32,399 one problem yeah maybe one day but we've 361 00:12:36,470 --> 00:12:34,480 got a very interesting video with some 362 00:12:39,590 --> 00:12:36,480 very interesting background 363 00:12:40,870 --> 00:12:39,600 i think what you mentioned andy ny at 364 00:12:42,790 --> 00:12:40,880 uap 365 00:12:44,790 --> 00:12:42,800 i was dming andy last night as well 366 00:12:46,550 --> 00:12:44,800 because i made a comment and andy has a 367 00:12:49,030 --> 00:12:46,560 habit of going off the deep end a little 368 00:12:51,190 --> 00:12:49,040 bit with his 369 00:12:53,670 --> 00:12:51,200 really quickly and yeah i didn't know 370 00:12:56,150 --> 00:12:53,680 who he was before this so i've had to 371 00:12:58,150 --> 00:12:56,160 minimize interaction with him but yeah 372 00:13:00,550 --> 00:12:58,160 and andy can get very passionate let's 373 00:13:02,550 --> 00:13:00,560 just say very quickly and very defensive 374 00:13:04,310 --> 00:13:02,560 and i said to him you know when it comes 375 00:13:05,829 --> 00:13:04,320 out well done for getting it out it's a 376 00:13:07,670 --> 00:13:05,839 lot to bring this kind of stuff forward 377 00:13:10,069 --> 00:13:07,680 again especially after last time and his 378 00:13:12,389 --> 00:13:10,079 kickoffs that you had online i was like 379 00:13:14,230 --> 00:13:12,399 and i said just let the the the footage 380 00:13:16,230 --> 00:13:14,240 speak for itself because people will 381 00:13:17,750 --> 00:13:16,240 have an opinion one way or another no 382 00:13:19,509 --> 00:13:17,760 matter how good it is 383 00:13:21,670 --> 00:13:19,519 and he wasn't happy with how i worded 384 00:13:23,750 --> 00:13:21,680 that to which he misunderstood how i 385 00:13:25,350 --> 00:13:23,760 phrased you know let it speak for itself 386 00:13:27,990 --> 00:13:25,360 and he dm'd me and we spoke and 387 00:13:29,829 --> 00:13:28,000 everything else and that was fine but um 388 00:13:31,110 --> 00:13:29,839 like i say he's done well to get it out 389 00:13:32,389 --> 00:13:31,120 it's a lot to put anything out there 390 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:32,399 like that because you're always going to 391 00:13:37,030 --> 00:13:35,040 get that intense scrutiny 392 00:13:38,470 --> 00:13:37,040 chris what have you seen so far from the 393 00:13:39,750 --> 00:13:38,480 comments online i'm guessing you'll have 394 00:13:41,829 --> 00:13:39,760 seen some stuff i know you've been on 395 00:13:43,189 --> 00:13:41,839 and off interviews all day but what what 396 00:13:45,750 --> 00:13:43,199 are those commentaries been like and 397 00:13:47,350 --> 00:13:45,760 anything that stood out to you uh i 398 00:13:49,189 --> 00:13:47,360 so 399 00:13:51,430 --> 00:13:49,199 before you know obviously it's a mixed 400 00:13:54,069 --> 00:13:51,440 bag when i wrote a review last week for 401 00:13:58,150 --> 00:13:54,079 the reo school documentary in that 402 00:14:00,310 --> 00:13:58,160 review i said uh ufo news has a pattern 403 00:14:02,310 --> 00:14:00,320 that we should all be used to which is 404 00:14:03,269 --> 00:14:02,320 first there's a rumor that news is 405 00:14:05,430 --> 00:14:03,279 coming 406 00:14:07,509 --> 00:14:05,440 which builds the excitement then there's 407 00:14:09,430 --> 00:14:07,519 a lot of guessing as to what it's going 408 00:14:11,509 --> 00:14:09,440 to be then there's a lot of people 409 00:14:13,590 --> 00:14:11,519 telling me it's not going to be anything 410 00:14:15,670 --> 00:14:13,600 then it comes out and you have two 411 00:14:18,389 --> 00:14:15,680 distinct reactions you have wow this is 412 00:14:20,870 --> 00:14:18,399 amazing and wow this is total garbage 413 00:14:23,030 --> 00:14:20,880 and i think we got a good share a good 414 00:14:25,350 --> 00:14:23,040 heavy share of both of those today i 415 00:14:27,189 --> 00:14:25,360 think the people that you would expect 416 00:14:28,790 --> 00:14:27,199 to look at it and say it's birds or 417 00:14:31,030 --> 00:14:28,800 insects are the people that came out and 418 00:14:33,269 --> 00:14:31,040 did that and 419 00:14:36,389 --> 00:14:33,279 i i think the people that took the time 420 00:14:39,030 --> 00:14:36,399 to read the 4 500 words that my partners 421 00:14:41,829 --> 00:14:39,040 and i put together and actually read the 422 00:14:44,550 --> 00:14:41,839 testimony from other pilots who analyzed 423 00:14:46,629 --> 00:14:44,560 the video and from video experts they 424 00:14:50,069 --> 00:14:46,639 see that there's way more here than than 425 00:14:52,470 --> 00:14:50,079 uh insects or birds and that for these 426 00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:52,480 guys who are experts at doing this 427 00:14:57,269 --> 00:14:54,320 they're looking at it saying 428 00:14:59,829 --> 00:14:57,279 it seems to be something else a physical 429 00:15:05,430 --> 00:14:59,839 something craft or something moving in a 430 00:15:07,030 --> 00:15:05,440 way that uh craft normally don't move so 431 00:15:09,350 --> 00:15:07,040 our goal 432 00:15:11,750 --> 00:15:09,360 in building a little anticipation around 433 00:15:15,269 --> 00:15:11,760 this story was the idea that we thought 434 00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:15,279 we had a big story and that it was that 435 00:15:18,150 --> 00:15:16,800 inside the department of homeland 436 00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:18,160 security and the border patrol and the 437 00:15:22,389 --> 00:15:20,160 national guard they're seeing the same 438 00:15:24,629 --> 00:15:22,399 things that the navy pilots are saying 439 00:15:27,110 --> 00:15:24,639 so to us that was the story but in the 440 00:15:29,350 --> 00:15:27,120 ufo world and fair enough 441 00:15:33,110 --> 00:15:29,360 when a word comes out that video is 442 00:15:34,629 --> 00:15:33,120 coming video becomes the headline so i 443 00:15:36,949 --> 00:15:34,639 think uh 444 00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:36,959 the the video you know when i first saw 445 00:15:40,389 --> 00:15:38,560 it i didn't see it back when i 446 00:15:41,269 --> 00:15:40,399 interviewed these guys in january i 447 00:15:44,069 --> 00:15:41,279 actually 448 00:15:46,470 --> 00:15:44,079 after i had that initial interview and i 449 00:15:48,550 --> 00:15:46,480 realized there was something there 450 00:15:50,310 --> 00:15:48,560 i went to tim and i went to micah and i 451 00:15:52,389 --> 00:15:50,320 said look you guys are the bosses here 452 00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:52,399 and you're the experts on this stuff 453 00:15:56,550 --> 00:15:54,880 this feels like a tim and micah's story 454 00:15:58,310 --> 00:15:56,560 this doesn't feel like a chris plain 455 00:15:59,030 --> 00:15:58,320 story 456 00:16:00,629 --> 00:15:59,040 so 457 00:16:03,189 --> 00:16:00,639 they went to work 458 00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:03,199 doing what they do verifying that people 459 00:16:08,310 --> 00:16:05,680 were legitimate verifying professional 460 00:16:09,670 --> 00:16:08,320 backgrounds and then as you saw taking 461 00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:09,680 that video 462 00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:11,680 getting it to experts and having them 463 00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:13,600 watch it and evaluate it 464 00:16:18,389 --> 00:16:15,839 when i first saw the video the first 465 00:16:20,230 --> 00:16:18,399 time we were in a group chat at work and 466 00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:20,240 it was on a little screen like this on 467 00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:22,079 my laptop 468 00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:24,160 and i couldn't see anything and i'm 469 00:16:28,629 --> 00:16:26,480 watching it and chrissy and uh and and 470 00:16:29,990 --> 00:16:28,639 the rest of the team they're going wow 471 00:16:32,389 --> 00:16:30,000 look at that look at the way those 472 00:16:33,670 --> 00:16:32,399 things are moving i'm going i can't see 473 00:16:36,470 --> 00:16:33,680 anything 474 00:16:39,269 --> 00:16:36,480 since then i've had the opportunity like 475 00:16:41,590 --> 00:16:39,279 a lot of people to have it on youtube to 476 00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:41,600 put it on my big tv 477 00:16:46,710 --> 00:16:44,800 in hd and actually watch the movement of 478 00:16:49,110 --> 00:16:46,720 these objects and if you have the 479 00:16:51,829 --> 00:16:49,120 ability to do that to put it on a big 4k 480 00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:51,839 tv and actually watch it i think people 481 00:16:55,990 --> 00:16:53,519 will be a little more impressed with 482 00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:56,000 what's there and then i i think just the 483 00:17:00,389 --> 00:16:57,920 scientific analysis the work that's 484 00:17:01,749 --> 00:17:00,399 being done and that's what's happening 485 00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:01,759 tomorrow 486 00:17:06,390 --> 00:17:03,360 and sunday 487 00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:06,400 in uh utah is this big conference and 488 00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:08,720 they have experts coming out 489 00:17:13,350 --> 00:17:10,799 analyzing the video talking about the 490 00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:13,360 video and i can tell you that other than 491 00:17:17,750 --> 00:17:15,919 noted critics every pilot every air 492 00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:17,760 force person everyone even people that 493 00:17:22,390 --> 00:17:20,160 spoke on background that looked at this 494 00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:22,400 for us have the same opinions that 495 00:17:26,069 --> 00:17:24,880 fighter pilot chris ledo and ryan graves 496 00:17:28,950 --> 00:17:26,079 and the other people that spoke on 497 00:17:32,310 --> 00:17:28,960 record which is this was unusual this 498 00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:32,320 didn't look like birds or insects and i 499 00:17:35,830 --> 00:17:34,640 always come back to and for me the key 500 00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:35,840 point was 501 00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:37,600 what bob said to me and it kind of 502 00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:39,840 rounds out the story at the end and that 503 00:17:42,390 --> 00:17:41,520 one of my quotes made the story there at 504 00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:42,400 the end 505 00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:44,160 where he said 506 00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:46,720 i have thousands of hours doing this he 507 00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:48,880 even told me online that didn't make the 508 00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:51,280 article which is no offense to fighter 509 00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:54,000 pilots out there but those of us that 510 00:17:57,430 --> 00:17:55,679 have to patrol the border and look 511 00:17:59,430 --> 00:17:57,440 through these flare equipment and these 512 00:18:02,150 --> 00:17:59,440 other things we have to do this for 513 00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:02,160 eight 10 12 hour shifts seven days into 514 00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:05,039 you know we have so many hours on this 515 00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:07,280 equipment we can pick out anything we 516 00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:10,640 can pick out a quadcopter from uh we can 517 00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:13,280 tell you if it's a retail one or if it's 518 00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:16,080 a military level they have so much 519 00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:18,559 ability to pick out what's on that video 520 00:18:22,630 --> 00:18:20,480 and when they look at this video and 521 00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:22,640 some of the others they're stumped and 522 00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:24,640 that was the term bob used at the end he 523 00:18:29,110 --> 00:18:26,960 says i feel like i'm as expert as there 524 00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:29,120 isn't looking at this stuff and i'm 525 00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:30,559 stumped 526 00:18:34,870 --> 00:18:32,400 that i feel like i uploaded the video 527 00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:34,880 i'm going down has it got audio on it 528 00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:37,360 um it has but the audio doesn't really 529 00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:39,120 matter that's not that's i'm gonna if 530 00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:40,799 you want to talk i'll play the video so 531 00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:42,799 folks on the chat can can see the video 532 00:18:45,909 --> 00:18:43,840 in the background because we've been 533 00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:45,919 talking about it for a while so sure 534 00:18:49,029 --> 00:18:46,720 sure 535 00:18:52,070 --> 00:18:49,039 so this video is just kind of a close-up 536 00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:52,080 uh portion that's looped um 537 00:18:54,470 --> 00:18:53,600 and i took a little screen capture of it 538 00:18:55,830 --> 00:18:54,480 because i thought it was interesting 539 00:18:57,990 --> 00:18:55,840 because you can almost see some shapes 540 00:19:00,390 --> 00:18:58,000 within the orbs there and and it could 541 00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:00,400 be argued that there are some spheres in 542 00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:03,200 cubes there uh and and i just wanted to 543 00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:04,720 kind of highlight that because it's 544 00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:06,000 interesting you wouldn't say that 545 00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:07,679 because that did come up in the research 546 00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:09,280 but it was something we decided to not 547 00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:10,880 include because we didn't think it was 548 00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:13,039 it was definitive enough but that that 549 00:19:17,029 --> 00:19:14,799 observation came to us from more than 550 00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:17,039 one person as well that that's super 551 00:19:19,270 --> 00:19:17,840 interesting because what we're 552 00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:19,280 essentially looking at is kind of a copy 553 00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:20,640 of a copyright so there's some 554 00:19:23,909 --> 00:19:21,919 degradation in the image and the 555 00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:23,919 original might be able to kind of shed 556 00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:25,520 some more light on on what we're looking 557 00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:27,200 at here but i i thought it was 558 00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:28,559 interesting because you can definitely 559 00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:30,400 see some right angles within those 560 00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:32,000 circles and and 561 00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:34,400 yeah i can't say definitively but it's 562 00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:35,919 interesting that you guys came up with 563 00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:37,120 that too 564 00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:38,400 yeah the uh 565 00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:40,799 the the cube within the sphere and the 566 00:19:44,789 --> 00:19:43,280 thing that ryan graves spoke about that 567 00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:44,799 like i said that i don't want to 568 00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:46,559 attribute it to anyone directly because 569 00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:48,480 we chose not to use it within the story 570 00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:50,640 but it came up more than once and more 571 00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:52,080 than one person mentioned it when 572 00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:54,400 looking at these videos more than one 573 00:19:57,270 --> 00:19:55,600 expert 574 00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:57,280 dan you're definitely right though that 575 00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:58,799 it could be any number of things 576 00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:00,480 especially with the quality of that you 577 00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:02,000 know what we're looking at here like you 578 00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:04,000 say chris as well we're looking at a 579 00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:05,520 screen through a screen through a screen 580 00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:07,919 and it isn't the original image no so 581 00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:09,840 it's important and someone said oh 582 00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:12,080 you're reaching but maybe yeah it could 583 00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:14,240 be but it looks like it doesn't mean it 584 00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:17,360 is i went and watched dave falch his 585 00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:19,520 analysis which is quite a short 11 586 00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:20,880 minute video again i thought it was 587 00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:22,799 pretty useful again to a layman like 588 00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:25,200 myself he explained why it almost 589 00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:27,919 definitely isn't bugs why it isn't birds 590 00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:29,200 for those who like me saying the word 591 00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:31,919 bird there you go and how it's not birds 592 00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:34,159 and uh why it's not other aircraft as 593 00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:36,880 well um i think the movements definitely 594 00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:39,039 kind of give way to anything like that i 595 00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:40,240 thought what was interesting you 596 00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:42,080 mentioned the movements themselves your 597 00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:43,440 colleague tim mcmillan's been very 598 00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:46,720 active on twitter um all day and he said 599 00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:48,640 on twitter that speaking to other 600 00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:50,880 military witnesses when discussing the 601 00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:52,960 patterns of movement and behavior the 602 00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:55,520 words like non-mechanical or organic are 603 00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:57,679 coming up to describe the movement we've 604 00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:59,440 said before dan on the podcast like 605 00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:01,520 house flies and how they move in a very 606 00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:03,360 strange way that no matter how you try 607 00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:05,360 and predict it and try and hit it or you 608 00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,440 know get out your way and swat a fly it 609 00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:09,120 always seems to move and be ahead of you 610 00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:11,360 and those those tick tacks almost seem 611 00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:13,840 to mirror that too we'll just uh dan's 612 00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:15,520 going to jump out and come back in sorry 613 00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:17,520 um but i thought that was really 614 00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:19,840 interesting based on the movements 615 00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:21,840 a lot of debunkers will look and go well 616 00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:25,360 it's probably a bird or a bug 617 00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:27,440 but it could just be that some of these 618 00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:29,760 craft that if these are orb type objects 619 00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:31,280 and i hate labeling them when you can't 620 00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:33,520 really make anything out maybe that's 621 00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:36,480 the movement is just like a fly or a 622 00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:39,200 bird rather than an aircraft can i 623 00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:41,280 address this andy because i think this 624 00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,760 is a really important point i saw it 625 00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:45,600 coming up on twitter this morning as 626 00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:47,360 well and uh 627 00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:49,679 i think it's significant 628 00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:51,760 in a number of ways first of all 629 00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:53,679 straight up fraver and dietrich 630 00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:56,640 described the motion of the tic tac as 631 00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:59,200 the same way as bouncing around like an 632 00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:01,679 insect bouncing around 633 00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,559 in science there's a thing known as levy 634 00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:06,320 motions named after a scientist named 635 00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:09,520 levy but levy motion and 636 00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:11,919 you'll see levee motion a lot in insects 637 00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:14,159 which is what you're describing you also 638 00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,120 see it a lot in sharks and sharks use it 639 00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:19,679 so if they're hunting under water they 640 00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:21,919 have a certain pattern happens 641 00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:24,559 completely unconsciously in their head 642 00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:27,200 but as it turns out scientists who 643 00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:30,000 analyzed this pattern found it to be the 644 00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:31,919 most efficient way 645 00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:35,280 to hunt and search an area so people it 646 00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,159 automated processes that use searches 647 00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:40,480 will use that levee motion and so for 648 00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:42,400 shark it's come into an area search 649 00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,159 around bounce over here search around 650 00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:46,159 come over here and there's a certain 651 00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:49,280 motion to it and tim and i way back when 652 00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:51,760 i joined the debris he and i had a 653 00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:54,159 lengthy discussion about levy motion and 654 00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:55,440 how often 655 00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:59,280 it shows up in these uap ufo accounts 656 00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,559 and 657 00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:02,080 in 658 00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,720 okay let me put it this way if i were on 659 00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:06,799 another planet i'm just going to go here 660 00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:10,240 right and i'm sending a probe 661 00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,039 to evaluate humans on earth i'm sending 662 00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:15,760 a uh you know a self-replicating i 663 00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:18,320 forget the term for it but uh uh i'm 664 00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,520 sending a probe or group of probes here 665 00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:23,840 they would be programmed to operate in 666 00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:26,960 the most efficient way 667 00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:30,000 that in the air when searching or 668 00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:33,039 analyzing is levy motion 669 00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,000 so 670 00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:36,480 to say that it's it's a motion that's 671 00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,799 typically seen in a biological entity is 672 00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:40,799 completely accurate for somebody to look 673 00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,559 at that guy these move like insects they 674 00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,880 move move like birds is an accurate 675 00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:46,799 analysis it's definitely within science 676 00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:49,039 levee motion is a thing and they 677 00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:50,320 definitely seem to be exhibiting 678 00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,159 something along those lines the 679 00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:54,960 interesting thing is so many uaps that 680 00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:57,200 are definitely not birds and definitely 681 00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,120 i mean i don't think the the dietrich or 682 00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:01,440 favor think the tic tac was a bird right 683 00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:03,440 like so so many things that are not 684 00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,080 birds are exhibiting this levee emotion 685 00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:08,159 and a number of people brought that up 686 00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:09,520 on twitter today 687 00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:11,120 i think that's critically important 688 00:24:15,789 --> 00:24:14,240 because again i'm somebody who 689 00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:15,799 leans towards if there is an 690 00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:18,720 extraterrestrial explanation 691 00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,440 i'm less likely for scientific reasons 692 00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:23,760 for little guys and craft flying here 693 00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,400 from another ship and i'm more likely to 694 00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:27,919 automated probes first of all just 695 00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,480 something we already do we send probes 696 00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,880 to other planets we send probes out so 697 00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:34,480 if there is somebody 698 00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,520 20 30 40 light years away and they just 699 00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:39,679 have technology slightly ahead of us can 700 00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,840 use directed energy propulsion they 701 00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:43,760 could get a probe here in 50 years i 702 00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:44,559 mean 703 00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,279 you know the the vi uh voyager has been 704 00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,200 in space for over 50 years we still get 705 00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:51,760 information from it so it just doesn't 706 00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:54,240 seem that bizarre to me that they move 707 00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:55,679 that way if anything 708 00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:56,799 it it 709 00:25:02,950 --> 00:24:59,600 lends credibility to an intelligently 710 00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:02,960 operated system and it also could be 711 00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,880 we're seeing a natural phenomenon maybe 712 00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:06,720 this is a life form 713 00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:07,679 that's 714 00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,000 you know uh native to earth that 715 00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:12,000 operates in the atmosphere and has this 716 00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,080 ability to travel at these insane speeds 717 00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,240 and do these insane things and even if 718 00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:18,640 that's what it is uh that's a heck of a 719 00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:19,760 discovery 720 00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:22,159 yeah it's fascinating man a lot of our 721 00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,840 kind of technology and science will 722 00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:25,440 replicate things that we find in nature 723 00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:26,640 that would be incredible to find a 724 00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,279 process like that and stuff bio-inspired 725 00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:31,679 technology or yep exactly nature 726 00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:33,679 inspired technology it's one of the most 727 00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:35,679 common things i write about whether it's 728 00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:38,320 a spider webs or the movement of fish 729 00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:40,159 the way corals communicate with each 730 00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:41,919 other i can i can list a hundred 731 00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:43,520 articles where i've mentioned that on 732 00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:46,720 some level uh soft robots dynamic robots 733 00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,279 all kinds of things in particular in 734 00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,679 drones and robots we're developing a 735 00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:53,440 craft that flies like a manta ray 736 00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,720 underwater that will go through the 737 00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:57,120 clouds of venus that's under development 738 00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:00,240 right now so we are so bio-inspired i 739 00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:02,080 just don't think it's a weird thing that 740 00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:03,440 they move that way 741 00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:05,760 no not at all and and we certainly seem 742 00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:08,320 to as we go forward and we're kind of 743 00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:09,520 you know there's a lot of conversation 744 00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:10,799 as to whether we're going to augment 745 00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:13,120 ourselves with technology and at a 746 00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:15,520 certain point the the line between 747 00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:17,600 artificial and biological kind of 748 00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:20,320 becomes blurred and new so even though 749 00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,159 we're talking about oh it could be a 750 00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:24,720 probe it could be biological it could be 751 00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,440 both at the same time yeah sure you know 752 00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:29,120 i've often said if you were going to 753 00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:31,200 send a probe to another planet from 754 00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,240 earth 755 00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:34,400 you would want someone so think of like 756 00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:37,120 a tr a seed like a seed from an acorn 757 00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:39,679 can grow an entire oak tree so rather 758 00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:41,919 than sending a ship to another planet 759 00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:43,919 what you'd want to do is send a seed to 760 00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:46,240 a ship that would get on that planet 761 00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:49,120 load and use the localized material to 762 00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,880 build the probe or to build the ship or 763 00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,559 to build the technology that's doing it 764 00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:54,480 it's just by far the most efficient way 765 00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,640 sending information is much easier than 766 00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:58,640 sending large amounts of matter a big 767 00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:01,360 large ship so uh 768 00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,880 for my money 769 00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:04,559 i don't think it's unrealistic that 770 00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,159 that's how we're going to go about we're 771 00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:08,080 already working on nanotechnology and 772 00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:09,440 robots i don't know if you guys saw the 773 00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:11,039 article about the the little remote 774 00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,640 controlled crab guy that can crawl 775 00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,120 around yeah yeah it's a matter of time 776 00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,360 before that's the type of thing where 777 00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:19,200 we use something like directed energy 778 00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:20,559 where we could push something up to 779 00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:22,960 about the quarter to the speed of light 780 00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:25,120 which could have it around the orbit of 781 00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:29,039 uh proxima centauri in about 20 years 782 00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:31,360 and so why not send something that when 783 00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:32,960 it gets there it can use the local 784 00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:34,960 material to build its own ship rather 785 00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:37,039 than sending a whole ship there 786 00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:39,039 that that's beautiful it just occurs to 787 00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,720 me that we could also be super efficient 788 00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:42,480 and just kind of go oh a meteor's going 789 00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:44,080 past us we can just put a building block 790 00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,600 on that and it can take it wherever 791 00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,679 carry on you know 792 00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:49,440 dan we've discussed before about 793 00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:51,279 artificial intelligence and again i'll 794 00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,960 i'll put people like myself who 795 00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:54,960 misunderstand at times what it is and 796 00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:57,279 how it could potentially be used 797 00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:59,679 in videos like this is that a place for 798 00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,320 something like ai to analyze it and help 799 00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:04,080 us get more information than we may 800 00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:05,279 already have 801 00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:07,039 because what what we don't seem to have 802 00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,720 with this like with any of these other 803 00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:11,520 videos as additional data is that 804 00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:13,840 something that you think dan will put 805 00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:15,679 this to you first and i'll come to chris 806 00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:17,200 that would be useful with videos like 807 00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:18,960 this to tell us look here's why it's not 808 00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,440 bugs birds and otherwise other kind of 809 00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,600 worldly objects yeah absolutely 810 00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:24,960 essentially what we have at the moment 811 00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:27,600 are neural nets and they you kind of 812 00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:29,360 feed known data into them and they 813 00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,240 compare it to things that are unknown so 814 00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:34,720 we can give it a million images of birds 815 00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,279 and it can tell us pretty much 816 00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,600 with you know 99.9 certainty that 817 00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,600 something is a bird in a video so 818 00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:43,120 there's a lot of low-hanging fruit that 819 00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:47,039 we can get rid of by uh using processes 820 00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,480 like that 821 00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:50,159 but it's hard to kind of all you can do 822 00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,640 is say this is unknown you can't go this 823 00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:54,080 is alien because we have nothing to 824 00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:56,240 compare it to you know 825 00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:57,440 christmas 826 00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,799 i was going to ask you chris was there 827 00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,120 additional data that was was asked for 828 00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:02,960 or there just wasn't anything available 829 00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:05,440 or anything like that for this one 830 00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,480 so 831 00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:08,640 the video that we provided we provided 832 00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:10,000 everything we have and everything we 833 00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,240 were given whether or not there is more 834 00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:14,480 data on that i don't know so whether or 835 00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:15,679 not 836 00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:18,080 bob has more data to provide or whether 837 00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,200 or not there's more information on a dhs 838 00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:23,279 airplane or hard drive somewhere i don't 839 00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,240 know but no that's all we provided i can 840 00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,399 tell you that the the people that are 841 00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:30,399 experts in these systems i think dave 842 00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,520 fouch is the one you mentioned uh all of 843 00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:36,000 them will tell you that uh this flir 844 00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:37,840 system is not designed to pick up 845 00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,559 insects right it's not designed to pick 846 00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:42,720 up something that close to the craft and 847 00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:44,960 then that small of a mass 848 00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,760 so i still say that if you want to make 849 00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,000 an argument that some sort of birds are 850 00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,320 way off in the distance they're flying 851 00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:54,720 in a very unusual way and they move 852 00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,520 across the horizon and such an extreme 853 00:30:02,870 --> 00:29:59,520 like there may be some scenario i'm not 854 00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:02,880 coming up with but but uh yeah as far as 855 00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:04,880 artificial intelligence you know what's 856 00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,559 interesting is you read about this stuff 857 00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,720 all the time but like 858 00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,320 what dan was referencing like a 859 00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:12,159 relational database they call it where 860 00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:13,600 you can give the comparative data and 861 00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,679 they can compare against the thing about 862 00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:17,520 ai is it really is learning and some of 863 00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:19,840 the really good new cutting edge ai so 864 00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:21,919 like pharmaceutical companies will have 865 00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:23,120 a bunch of tests they've done on 866 00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:24,559 different drugs and they'll plug all the 867 00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:26,320 data in there and the scientists are 868 00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:27,919 stumped and the ai will come back and 869 00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,679 say ah you should try this combination 870 00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,840 you never thought about sure enough they 871 00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:33,440 have a functional working drug or 872 00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:35,679 functional working treatment so 873 00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:38,399 ai has the opportunity to look at things 874 00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:40,240 in a new way too and that's why it's 875 00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:41,679 interesting it's not 876 00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,039 just 877 00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:45,679 compared against this database of knowns 878 00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,760 but it's also to offer 879 00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:49,679 alternatives it's also to turn to the 880 00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:51,919 computer and go computer what do you 881 00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:54,399 think it is 882 00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:57,519 dan where we stand now we're what 10 883 00:31:02,070 --> 00:30:59,519 hours or eight hours after the release 884 00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:02,080 of of the article in the video 885 00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:03,360 where does this sit with you at this 886 00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,880 point you've had a few hours to digest 887 00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:06,799 it have a watch of the video go away go 888 00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,159 back to it 889 00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,320 where do things sit with you 890 00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:12,080 i mean i'm really intrigued by it i'm 891 00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:14,080 looking forward to to the people who are 892 00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:15,840 a lot smarter than me kind of breaking 893 00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,480 it down for me in the next 24 hours 894 00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:20,720 i'll take in and absorb as much as i can 895 00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,760 and no doubt there'll be some kind of 896 00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:25,600 disagreement with that on twitter which 897 00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:27,279 i'll look at too you know i'll give both 898 00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:28,640 the time of day 899 00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:33,039 but as of now it's a video for me that 900 00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:34,640 after a few times watching it i 901 00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:37,360 genuinely think we have a public video 902 00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:43,430 chris 903 00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,000 i would say that uh i'm always skeptical 904 00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,080 because as the head science editor and 905 00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:52,320 science writer over the debrief i'm one 906 00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,080 of these guys that likes information i 907 00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,559 like data and i like it to add up with 908 00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:58,399 that being said 909 00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,320 this data doesn't all add up there's 910 00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:02,320 something about this video that is 911 00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,600 unusual 912 00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,279 and uh 913 00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:07,600 you know our job is to report it 914 00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:09,840 for us the big story is still the fact 915 00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:11,600 that the the dhs and all these people 916 00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,159 are just seeing this on a regular basis 917 00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:16,240 and we have an entire uniform service 918 00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:19,360 personnel seeing uaps and recording them 919 00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:20,640 and i think there's going to be more 920 00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:22,880 videos and more instances of that 921 00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:25,039 because of the fact and the fact that 922 00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,440 they now will have an open avenue to 923 00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,000 report it like our other military pilots 924 00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:32,159 do so i think the significance of the 925 00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:35,120 story is big as far as the significance 926 00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,960 of the video i think that's going to 927 00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:38,640 have to be for the experts but i will 928 00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:39,679 tell you 929 00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,080 that after tim shopped it around to the 930 00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:44,559 pilots he did shop it around to in the 931 00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:46,720 development of this story and he came 932 00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:48,559 back with the quotes and analysis he did 933 00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:51,200 i was pretty pretty stoked because 934 00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,880 i was like a lot of people i just didn't 935 00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:53,919 see a lot 936 00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,000 i definitely see motion that seems 937 00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,559 bizarre and i definitely see something 938 00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,720 and i said hey if these experts look at 939 00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,799 this and say this is something i 940 00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:04,720 regularly don't see and i think it's 941 00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:05,840 real 942 00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:06,559 so 943 00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:09,200 for me it's more about what the experts 944 00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:10,640 are saying about the video and the 945 00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,440 backstory too the actual video itself is 946 00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:15,120 three little dots moving around it's 947 00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:16,480 really hard for you know if i'm being 948 00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,799 completely honest so that was my take 949 00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:21,039 i think the analyzed videos and what 950 00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:22,720 chrissy is telling me is going to be 951 00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,960 presented at the conference around those 952 00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,720 i think that's going to add a lot more 953 00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,320 and i think there is going to be more 954 00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:29,760 about 955 00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:32,799 likely sizes likely masses likely 956 00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,200 distances and i think there's a lot more 957 00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,360 calculation that will that will 958 00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:39,600 blend to that 959 00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:40,960 i think they 960 00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,120 rightfully so we're holding a lot of 961 00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:45,279 that for the conference i think letting 962 00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:47,600 us write the story and letting us point 963 00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:49,519 the the video out there 964 00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:51,919 was the front part of their approach so 965 00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,640 we're at news service we reported on it 966 00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,880 but as a as a conference and they have 967 00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,480 all these people there in utah and a lot 968 00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,799 of experts and a lot of this is carrying 969 00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:02,399 over the following weekend you know the 970 00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:04,960 scu the scientific coalition for uab 971 00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,279 studies has their conference next 972 00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:09,359 weekend there's a feeling that their 973 00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:11,119 analysis their final analysis of the 974 00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:13,040 rubber duck video which also came from 975 00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:16,800 bob thompson and these other videos 976 00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,639 may likely be released at that 977 00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,399 conference that that may be part of what 978 00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,480 they've been holding on to and why we 979 00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:24,320 weren't able to get it for this story 980 00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:26,000 because they've been working on those 981 00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:29,200 analyses for a long time so 982 00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:32,079 i think there's more to come by smarter 983 00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:34,480 people that know more about this stuff 984 00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:35,440 than me 985 00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:38,079 so i i think that's what i'm hoping for 986 00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:40,000 if i woke up in the morning 987 00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,399 somebody emailed me this debrief article 988 00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,159 and all i did was scroll down to the 989 00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:46,879 youtube and hit play i would have went 990 00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,599 another ufo video and went back to bed 991 00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:51,119 i'm going to encourage people to go and 992 00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:52,480 read the article the link will be in the 993 00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:54,079 description and people should have 994 00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,679 hopefully read it already you'll find it 995 00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,280 on any of the debrief social media 996 00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,440 channels or the debrief.org 997 00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:01,520 um check out the the quotes and the 998 00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:04,320 comments again from uh an an anonymous 999 00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,800 uh air force officer who who talks about 1000 00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,480 the article i just want to let people go 1001 00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,839 in with that themselves i was going to 1002 00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:11,280 read out the quotes but people can go 1003 00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:13,359 and do that um you've mentioned a few 1004 00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:14,560 times and we're going to move on a few 1005 00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,280 other news articles to discuss um the 1006 00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:19,440 the ufo disclosure symposium which is 1007 00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:22,960 the 27th 28th and 29th um your colleague 1008 00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:26,079 micah hanks is there um as is chrissy 1009 00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:29,040 newton chris he's there uh tim taylor 1010 00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:31,680 avi leweb 1011 00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:33,920 there's also a mix of other names where 1012 00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:35,680 i think the credibility just in my 1013 00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:36,640 opinion 1014 00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:37,839 goes down the other side of the 1015 00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:39,920 credibility scale um 1016 00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:42,000 but to focus on the positive side of the 1017 00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,320 disclosure symposium for the moment the 1018 00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:46,320 the video is being reviewed there are 1019 00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:48,000 four videos and i think this is where 1020 00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:49,680 some people got confused about what may 1021 00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,520 or may not be coming out because that 1022 00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:53,280 was the three videos you mentioned from 1023 00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,839 andy previously the la bruja the a10 and 1024 00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,920 rubber duck and those were all being 1025 00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:01,359 reviewed and the analysis was going to 1026 00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,520 be done but also on this video too so 1027 00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:05,119 this is the new video they were talking 1028 00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:06,079 about 1029 00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:07,920 what what are you expecting to come from 1030 00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,280 that then chris you've touched on you 1031 00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:11,280 know potentially more and they've given 1032 00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:13,520 this video as i release it but do you 1033 00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,200 think we're going to get something that 1034 00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:17,280 pushes this further down the line 1035 00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:18,240 well 1036 00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:21,040 as far as like a new the videos are with 1037 00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,640 the art so i don't think suddenly like 1038 00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:23,920 we're going to wake up tomorrow there's 1039 00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:25,760 going to be a new video of the video or 1040 00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:28,640 you know but as far as what's actually 1041 00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:31,839 the analysis of these videos and what 1042 00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,720 these uh flair experts and scientists 1043 00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,720 and other people they're looking at it i 1044 00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:38,880 do think that's gonna be new information 1045 00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:41,119 i do think their analysis is going to 1046 00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:43,119 put it in a new light because that's why 1047 00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,640 they're doing it you know if they looked 1048 00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,560 at it and said we couldn't give you any 1049 00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:48,480 more information they wouldn't be 1050 00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,320 spending months looking at it i can tell 1051 00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,400 you part of that is the big delay when 1052 00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,640 we got this story in january we were 1053 00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:56,640 ready to go you know we're a news outlet 1054 00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,960 as i tell people all the time this story 1055 00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,040 was a big story for us today but it was 1056 00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:02,880 one of four that went up on the website 1057 00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:04,960 we'll have three more stories tomorrow 1058 00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:08,160 four more on monday we're a new site so 1059 00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:10,000 we're constantly cranking out new so for 1060 00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,880 us it was a one-story event but it took 1061 00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:14,880 these months because they were putting 1062 00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:16,880 together this conference and they were 1063 00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:19,359 having the scientific analysis done so i 1064 00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:21,119 think 1065 00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:24,079 my expectation is very high for that 1066 00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:25,760 scientific analysis 1067 00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:27,920 at the same point i think you make a 1068 00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,359 good point i don't know who's all 1069 00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,880 presenting there but again i see on 1070 00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:32,720 twitter that some people came out and 1071 00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,880 said uh you've got this yucca head there 1072 00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:37,040 and you've got this you know monkey over 1073 00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,320 there and you know you've got some 1074 00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,560 really morons mixed in i think that's 1075 00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,320 unfortunately the community we're i 1076 00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:44,960 think that's the the two sides of the 1077 00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,040 of the community i can tell you if it 1078 00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:49,280 were debrief event 1079 00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:51,440 it would be a completely different panel 1080 00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,320 and as you know when we report on ufos 1081 00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:56,960 you get military sources and you get 1082 00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:59,680 science sources you don't get anecdotal 1083 00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:02,400 sources and you don't get i mean we even 1084 00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:04,240 quoted mick west in the article i don't 1085 00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,359 know who else puts out new ufo video and 1086 00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,079 quotes mick west right in the article 1087 00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:12,720 but that is our approach we are trying 1088 00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:14,720 to present it as news this is what we've 1089 00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:16,960 been told this is what we've heard we 1090 00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,680 did our research and verified it so if 1091 00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,599 we were doing a ufo conference yeah i 1092 00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:24,000 think it would be people from the scu i 1093 00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:25,599 think it would be probably some of those 1094 00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:26,640 critics 1095 00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:28,400 like mick west and people like that we 1096 00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:30,400 would invite people like that 1097 00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:31,839 as far as the other people they have at 1098 00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:34,079 this conference i don't know you know i 1099 00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:35,839 i think in the ufo community somewhere 1100 00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,320 between uh anjali and the desert and 1101 00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,960 stephen greer and uh you know maybe over 1102 00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:42,720 on this side it's like the pure scu 1103 00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:45,040 conference where it's just phds 1104 00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,880 i think this one kind of seems to land 1105 00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:48,640 right in the middle there somewhere 1106 00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:49,839 yeah 1107 00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:51,520 made a good point here i think he he 1108 00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:53,119 said that it's better than the footage 1109 00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:55,760 that we got from the aoi msg during the 1110 00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:58,560 hearings which i think is a very 1111 00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,320 valuable and fair comment we're actually 1112 00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:02,240 getting analysis within 24 hours of 1113 00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,520 seeing the video we've got a lot of 1114 00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,920 backstory and context to it and and 1115 00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,680 that's what's usually lacking when you 1116 00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:09,599 get these ufo videos online they come 1117 00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:12,160 with no kind of chain of custody and no 1118 00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,240 one's checked the legitimacy so i really 1119 00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:16,160 do 1120 00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:20,640 plane is flying that fast 1121 00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,240 that literally could just be a balloon 1122 00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:24,560 in the sky or it really could be like a 1123 00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,480 craft zipping the other way 1124 00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:29,040 that's what's so impressive to me about 1125 00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:32,320 this video that that was put out is it 1126 00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:35,440 shot from an airplane sitting still 1127 00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:37,520 you know that airplane is on the runway 1128 00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:40,000 sitting still so the the 1129 00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:41,359 i'll be honest when i was watching the 1130 00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,720 the uh the congressional hearings and 1131 00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,640 they kept like trying to like line up 1132 00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:48,720 that video when they finally got it 1133 00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:50,240 lined up and played it right i thought 1134 00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,000 it was cool like i was like all right 1135 00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:53,920 that's little things zipping by 1136 00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:55,599 i was more impressed by the video that 1137 00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:58,000 we put out so 1138 00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,680 yeah i thought it was pretty interesting 1139 00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:01,280 like you say that the conference is on 1140 00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:02,960 if people have an interest you can check 1141 00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:05,599 out the ufo disclosure symposium it's on 1142 00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:07,359 now there are tickets available online 1143 00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,880 you can attend it in person but i'm 1144 00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:10,480 guessing at this point it would be a 1145 00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:12,560 stream um and there are some other 1146 00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,560 releases as part of that and that's if 1147 00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,160 that's to your taste then go and check 1148 00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:18,240 that out but yeah not 1149 00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:19,440 that won't be watching some of that 1150 00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:21,200 stuff but what does interest me is what 1151 00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,520 comes from the analysis and the people 1152 00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,960 and i think all that ends up in the 1153 00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:26,880 public andy i'm sorry to cut you off but 1154 00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,280 no no my my understanding from the 1155 00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,440 people behind that conference i have had 1156 00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:33,359 zero interaction with them chrissy and 1157 00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:35,040 tim and mike have done all the work 1158 00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,040 coordinating that but it is my 1159 00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:39,200 understanding that at some point we're 1160 00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:40,720 gonna get all of that we're gonna get 1161 00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:43,920 every expert's analysis on this video uh 1162 00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,240 not just uh you know mick west and the 1163 00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:48,960 guys on on youtube or on twitter but 1164 00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,400 we're gonna get these scientists who 1165 00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:52,560 just put it through the rigor and and 1166 00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:55,280 we'll see what they come up with 1167 00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,280 well one thing that did come out today 1168 00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,040 is separately to the d beef was another 1169 00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,520 article in the daily mail here in the uk 1170 00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,440 and essentially it was that nasa is 1171 00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,040 joining the hunt i believe is some of 1172 00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:07,599 the phrasing used but this is that nasa 1173 00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:09,040 and obviously we know bill nelson the 1174 00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:12,240 current admin of nasa as briefed on the 1175 00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:14,800 uap subject has been within his former 1176 00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:16,319 role within government 1177 00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:18,560 as a big proponent and fan of nasa being 1178 00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:21,200 involved within the ufo and uap subject 1179 00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:22,880 and they have essentially promised a few 1180 00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:24,560 big bullet points promising to review 1181 00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:27,760 old footage that they have on nasa and i 1182 00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,960 don't know if that means going through 1183 00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:30,560 those those youtube videos down that 1184 00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,839 we've looked at before and you know the 1185 00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:33,440 tether incident things like that 1186 00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,800 probably some footage that we've not 1187 00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,200 seen looking to speak with astronauts 1188 00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:39,599 about experience of uap very similar to 1189 00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:42,079 what the the us navy and the pilots and 1190 00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:43,599 the men and women who serve have been 1191 00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,839 encouraged to come forward and do and it 1192 00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:47,280 looks like they're really trying to push 1193 00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:49,119 that destigmatisation 1194 00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:51,520 and get in on this conversation dan i'll 1195 00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:52,800 bring you on that one first what are 1196 00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:54,400 your thoughts on nasa getting more 1197 00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:55,839 involved 1198 00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:58,240 well we we've heard 1199 00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:59,920 things about this before you know lou 1200 00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:01,920 alexander has spoken about it we've seen 1201 00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,680 bill nelson talk about them taking the 1202 00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,000 the issue seriously but this is the 1203 00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:08,079 first that i've heard it specified that 1204 00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:09,760 they'll be looking to build a kind of 1205 00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:12,000 complementary working group which again 1206 00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,839 chris is similar to what bob was saying 1207 00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:15,520 right in the dhs it seems like there are 1208 00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,720 all these different parts of the 1209 00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:18,240 government now building their own little 1210 00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:19,920 working groups that are finally going to 1211 00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:21,839 work together 1212 00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,480 i'm i'm a little frustrated by the nasa 1213 00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,480 news i think it's good and bad and let 1214 00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,400 me tell you why first of all i'm really 1215 00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:30,400 glad bill nelson's following up i wrote 1216 00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:32,960 that story a year ago when he first came 1217 00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:35,839 out and said uh you know this is our job 1218 00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:38,000 this is what we do at nasa and we're 1219 00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,680 going to look into this and i've seen 1220 00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:41,760 those videos and he's the one who 1221 00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:44,400 regularly says things like uh i hope 1222 00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:46,000 it's not an adversary i hope it's 1223 00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:47,599 extraterrestrial that would be better 1224 00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:50,079 news for us right 1225 00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:52,640 i think what's frustrating okay first of 1226 00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,520 all i'm happy that the guy of the daily 1227 00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:57,119 mail beat me to the punch line because 1228 00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:58,640 i've been chasing this story at nasa 1229 00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,440 through my contacts for months but i in 1230 00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,599 the end i see how they beat me there and 1231 00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:05,760 it's unfortunate 1232 00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:08,560 at nasa because it's publicly funded in 1233 00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:09,760 the states 1234 00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,960 nasa has a certain way they typically do 1235 00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,160 missions 1236 00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:16,480 and the mission will be chosen by a 1237 00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,599 committee 1238 00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:19,599 then it will be given like a name like 1239 00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:21,520 the artemis mission right is going back 1240 00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,880 to the moon right 1241 00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:25,200 so it'll be given a name it'll be given 1242 00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,520 even like a mission badge or whatever 1243 00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:29,839 they'll have a project leader project 1244 00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,480 manners they will have assigned duties 1245 00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:34,480 they will have timelines they will have 1246 00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:36,480 agendas they will have all kinds of 1247 00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:39,200 stuff that comes out of creating a 1248 00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:42,160 mission or a mission directory 1249 00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,119 a working group is almost like an email 1250 00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,760 chat within a place like nasa so it's 1251 00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:49,440 not nothing 1252 00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,160 but it's just kind of like hey go out 1253 00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:54,240 and get together these videos talk to 1254 00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,240 these astronauts like it's putting some 1255 00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:58,560 leg work in and it could definitely be 1256 00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:00,640 the predecessor 1257 00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:03,119 to an official mission but what we were 1258 00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:05,680 really hoping for nasa was 1259 00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:08,800 okay we're undertaking the uap issue 1260 00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:11,680 it's called you know operation 1261 00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,599 you know clear skies or whatever they 1262 00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:15,760 want to call it and here's the head of 1263 00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,560 that here's the budget for it here's the 1264 00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:21,119 end because all of that stuff is voted 1265 00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:23,200 on by congress nasa's budget the way 1266 00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:25,599 it's handled in the states it's all you 1267 00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:27,760 know they have a public fiduciary duty 1268 00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,160 on all this so working group is a way to 1269 00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:32,480 kind of look at it but kind of not have 1270 00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:35,200 to commit to anything not have to commit 1271 00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:37,119 to reporting or releasing anything you 1272 00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:39,040 know a a natural mission would have a 1273 00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,079 release schedule would have directed sp 1274 00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,800 specified goals this has no goals 1275 00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,280 uh no we don't know who is working on it 1276 00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,599 no personnel so by then putting in a 1277 00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,280 working group is a little frustrating at 1278 00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:53,200 this phase because we really thought 1279 00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:55,839 after last summer's announcement that by 1280 00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:57,680 this summer which we're rounding on in a 1281 00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,240 few weeks we would have an official team 1282 00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:02,240 at nasa with a leader and a budget all 1283 00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:04,880 the things i keep mentioning so 1284 00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,599 i think it's a forward step i think it's 1285 00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,680 key they haven't given up on it you know 1286 00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,280 i think it's key that they brought it up 1287 00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:13,599 a year ago because bill nelson is one of 1288 00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:15,680 these people we will keep a lit until 1289 00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:18,480 this information comes public we will 1290 00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:20,880 keep living in this reality where guys 1291 00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:23,040 like lou elizondo chris mellen these 1292 00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:25,280 milit and some of these congressional 1293 00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:26,720 reps 1294 00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:29,520 seem to have seen things that we haven't 1295 00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:30,480 seen 1296 00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:39,599 uh sig intel signal intelligence 1297 00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:42,160 they and and melanie and eliza kind of 1298 00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:43,599 say that all the time there's all these 1299 00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:45,839 other videos on photos that we can't 1300 00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,280 show you guys that are better 1301 00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:51,680 bill nelson seems to have seen that 1302 00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:54,880 stuff and by him a year later just after 1303 00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,200 he got put into that job to still be 1304 00:46:02,069 --> 00:45:59,599 pushing it forward i think is important 1305 00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,079 whether or not where we get from a 1306 00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:04,800 working group to an actual mission to an 1307 00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,560 actual project 1308 00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,480 you know you can go to nasa's site and 1309 00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:10,480 just every mission has its own page 1310 00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:11,839 right you can just go to the mission 1311 00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,800 page 1312 00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:14,400 when i write about stuff i can be 1313 00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:16,720 writing about anything i can go to the 1314 00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:19,280 voyager missions from the 70s then 1315 00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,520 there's still a mission page with 1316 00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:24,240 budgets and who who put it together and 1317 00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:27,119 who so that's the frustrating thing but 1318 00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:28,800 yeah the fact that they're not giving up 1319 00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:30,880 they're continuing forward i do think i 1320 00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,960 saw somewhere 1321 00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:34,240 that they are going to be looking at 1322 00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:37,520 those older like the sts-48 which is the 1323 00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:39,920 the famous you know 1324 00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:42,240 something or whatever like oh coming in 1325 00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:43,760 and then something shoots out and then 1326 00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:46,400 it zooms back away or whatever 1327 00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,599 so 1328 00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:49,440 i think that's what they're going to do 1329 00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,760 internally is like let's look at what we 1330 00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:53,680 have let's look let's talk to our 1331 00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:55,920 astronauts look at any videos we might 1332 00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:58,720 have that we've held back any images we 1333 00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:00,640 might have held back because we weren't 1334 00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:03,040 sure so i think that's an important 1335 00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,640 first step for them to get their arms 1336 00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:06,079 around it get their hands around it and 1337 00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:08,160 see what they have over there let's hope 1338 00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,240 it ends up with a a formal mission or 1339 00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:13,760 formal program 1340 00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:15,680 dan they must have some very cool stuff 1341 00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:18,400 in the vault at nasa locked away on oh 1342 00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:19,440 yeah 1343 00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:21,000 and and there's those um 1344 00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,800 [Music] 1345 00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:24,400 the kind of 1346 00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,400 i i want to say conspiracy but i don't 1347 00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:28,800 because it's not uh the idea that when 1348 00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:30,160 they were talking about santa claus 1349 00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:31,200 during the moon mission they were 1350 00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:32,720 talking about some sources kind of on 1351 00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:34,720 the horizon and i'd love for them to dig 1352 00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:36,319 into that even if they find out it's not 1353 00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,319 true you know and ruin the romance there 1354 00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:40,079 it would be it would be great to get to 1355 00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:42,000 the truth on that 1356 00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:43,440 and i want to ask just to finish up 1357 00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:45,040 because chris your time is limited with 1358 00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:46,400 us you're you're going on a christina 1359 00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:47,760 gomez's show next you're doing the 1360 00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:50,400 rounds today and uh dan i only planned 1361 00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:52,000 on doing about the hour on this anyway 1362 00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:53,440 and again thanks to everyone who's 1363 00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,079 joined in in the chat it's been a week 1364 00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:57,920 or so since the congressional hearings 1365 00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:00,559 chris i'll ask yourself now we've had 1366 00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:02,319 that time passed and people are already 1367 00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,599 talking about 1368 00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:05,440 more congressional hearings what have 1369 00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,800 you heard what are your thoughts and 1370 00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:08,400 what do you expect to come in the near 1371 00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:10,880 future could we get further hearings as 1372 00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:12,800 soon as this summer 1373 00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:15,599 uh i i think so yes i think the yes to 1374 00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:17,040 your last question 1375 00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:19,599 my father who's still kicking at 84 1376 00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,520 years old has a saying 1377 00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,599 you're either gaining ground 1378 00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:25,920 or you're losing ground there's no 1379 00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,160 standing still in life he would tell me 1380 00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,920 that all the time chris you're either 1381 00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,359 making headway today you're either 1382 00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,200 getting ahead of things or you're 1383 00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,960 sitting still and life has passed nearby 1384 00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,400 and you're losing ground the 1385 00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,720 congressional hearings were some of the 1386 00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,040 most significant ground that we have 1387 00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:43,280 gained in a long time you know task 1388 00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,440 force is wonderful you a ptf these sort 1389 00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:47,280 of things but to have it in front of 1390 00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,040 congress you know i was writing a story 1391 00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:51,280 that i'm researching about the the swamp 1392 00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:54,000 gas incident from 1966. 1393 00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:56,400 that was the last congressional hearings 1394 00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:59,760 i was born in 1969 i'm old 1395 00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:02,079 and there have been no congressional 1396 00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,960 hearings in my entire life about this 1397 00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:07,040 issue so i thought it was huge i thought 1398 00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:08,559 it was really important and really 1399 00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:09,839 significant 1400 00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:12,480 i think we're at the point it goes right 1401 00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:15,040 in line with what i was saying before 1402 00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,760 where should there be more hearings and 1403 00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:19,680 i think we're likely to get them in the 1404 00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:24,870 we need to start bringing in the experts 1405 00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:27,359 to tell them who the you know i would 1406 00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:28,960 have like if i knew those two people 1407 00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:31,280 they had testifying that day i write 1408 00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:33,200 questions for chrissy for her interviews 1409 00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,280 all the time right oh you're talking to 1410 00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:37,440 avi loeb here's 20 questions make sure 1411 00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,960 to ask him i could have written way 1412 00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,480 better questions that were asked of 1413 00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,319 those guys and i think anyone who 1414 00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:44,400 follows the ufo field could have written 1415 00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:46,000 better questions but i think we're 1416 00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,520 reaching the point 1417 00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:49,760 where the right people need to be there 1418 00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:51,760 and by that i think 1419 00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,400 lou elizondo chris mellon 1420 00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:56,240 eric davis 1421 00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:00,160 and admiral wilson can all be brought in 1422 00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:02,400 told in front of congress your nda does 1423 00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:03,760 not apply 1424 00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:05,839 and you need to testify openly and 1425 00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,559 truthfully to congress and i think 1426 00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,480 mellon and elizondo who've said a 1427 00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,480 million times there's better videos and 1428 00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:14,880 better pictures and maybe even debris 1429 00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:15,760 whatever 1430 00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,400 let's let them go on the record and for 1431 00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:20,880 people that are critical of elizondo or 1432 00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:22,559 think there's another mission going on 1433 00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,960 or he's made it all up or whatever 1434 00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:26,880 putting him on the hot seat in front of 1435 00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:29,359 congress creates a lot of liability for 1436 00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:32,079 him if he is lying so it also brings the 1437 00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:34,800 controversy about lou elizondo to a 1438 00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,599 conclusion one way or the other so i 1439 00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,440 think that is critical i think he's 1440 00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:41,680 somebody we need there with the freedom 1441 00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,839 to speak and i think eric davis is 1442 00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:45,200 someone we need there with the freedom 1443 00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,480 to speak 1444 00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:48,240 i think admiral wilson's in a tough 1445 00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:50,079 position because if that document is 1446 00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,760 true and if that meeting really took 1447 00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,760 place he probably did something illegal 1448 00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:55,440 that he wasn't allowed to do by just 1449 00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:57,680 talking about what he talked about to 1450 00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:59,119 who he talked about so i don't know that 1451 00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,640 we would ever get what we want out of 1452 00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,960 him but if eric davis sat down in front 1453 00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:04,319 of congress and said 1454 00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:05,839 yeah i've met with admiral wilson in the 1455 00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:08,079 parking lot the memo is true where does 1456 00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:09,839 that take us where does that take the 1457 00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:12,160 discussion so i think that's what we 1458 00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,079 need to see is 1459 00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:16,079 key witnesses 1460 00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,000 that have key things to say that have 1461 00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,160 essentially said it and i told the told 1462 00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:22,400 the interview earlier this morning 1463 00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:24,319 i'm half tempted to write a start a 1464 00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:26,720 hashtag and write an article called free 1465 00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:27,520 lou 1466 00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:29,680 because i think it's time to free liu of 1467 00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:32,079 his non-disclosure and let him talk and 1468 00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:34,640 let the chips fall where they make 1469 00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:37,680 diamonds into that 1470 00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:38,880 as soon as we're done with this i'm 1471 00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,160 gonna i'm gonna tweet about this 1472 00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,319 conversation 1473 00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,400 i think that'd be great um i'd be really 1474 00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:46,319 intrigued to hear jay stratton talk as 1475 00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:48,079 well his name's out there now he headed 1476 00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:50,240 up a lot of what what's been going on 1477 00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:52,480 including the uh ptf so 1478 00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:54,160 for a period so i think that was maybe 1479 00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:56,000 got dropped yesterday somewhere yeah 1480 00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:57,119 that's right 1481 00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:59,119 so yeah i mean he at the very least 1482 00:52:02,069 --> 00:52:00,640 would be able to confirm that lou did 1483 00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,079 what he did and like you say it just 1484 00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:04,480 takes that controversy away from the 1485 00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:06,800 subject 1486 00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:08,960 immunity for all the people who have 1487 00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:10,240 kind of been caught up in this over the 1488 00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:12,000 years i think is important we need these 1489 00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,839 people coming forward we need to see 1490 00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,599 these new names coming out constantly 1491 00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:17,200 because there's no way that you know 1492 00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,559 it's just a handful of people that's 1493 00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:20,720 been involved in this over the years and 1494 00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,000 lou in certain interviews has alluded to 1495 00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:26,400 knowing where the pearly gates are 1496 00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:29,520 um where the information is kept so i 1497 00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:31,760 think if we can get people like lou in 1498 00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,760 front of congress testifying they can 1499 00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:35,280 start pointing fingers as to where 1500 00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:37,280 congress should be looking uh our 1501 00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:38,800 officials are becoming more and more 1502 00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:41,200 educated the more we talk about this in 1503 00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:42,800 these places 1504 00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:44,800 before no one knew what oh some people 1505 00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,240 knew what the wilson docks were but not 1506 00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:48,880 everyone did now a lot more people know 1507 00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:50,800 so the lights being shined in the dark 1508 00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:53,359 places finally uh and and we're going to 1509 00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:54,800 start just putting down those little 1510 00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:58,240 guess who faces and will be left with 1511 00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,760 you know a compass direction at the very 1512 00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:00,880 least 1513 00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,520 and also speaking of amnesty or immunity 1514 00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,280 or things along those lines you know 1515 00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:07,440 when congress does an investigation they 1516 00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,680 can often appoint a special investigator 1517 00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,200 if you remember like for people that 1518 00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:13,200 follow politics over here in the states 1519 00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,800 that's what got president bill clinton 1520 00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:16,640 in trouble was a special investigator 1521 00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:18,880 was looking into like illegal use of 1522 00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:20,319 funds or whatever and we ended up with 1523 00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:24,400 monica lewinsky right so um the idea of 1524 00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:25,920 having an invest 1525 00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:27,680 taking the low hanging fruit taking a 1526 00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:29,359 guy like lou who we're pretty sure he 1527 00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,920 hasn't done anything horrible that we're 1528 00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,520 gonna give him immunity and he's gonna 1529 00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:35,359 go oh yeah i gaslighted a bunch of 1530 00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:36,800 people into thinking they were abducted 1531 00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,400 and they're all in mental hospitals now 1532 00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:40,480 right so i don't think we're gonna find 1533 00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:42,079 that from him but if there is somebody 1534 00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:43,760 who did that maybe that's somebody we 1535 00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:46,240 don't want to give immunity to so when 1536 00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:48,319 you have a special investigator that's 1537 00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:49,920 what they can do they can start bringing 1538 00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:51,760 these people into hearings one by one 1539 00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:53,680 and if eric davis says yeah i met with 1540 00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:55,359 wilson and this is what happened that 1541 00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:58,000 that investigator rather than having it 1542 00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:00,079 in an open hearing can go meet with 1543 00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:02,319 milsim start doing that research go meet 1544 00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:04,880 with the people that that lou says oh 1545 00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:06,240 it's over here at lockheed martin or 1546 00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:09,440 whatever so there are processes in place 1547 00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,839 for congress to look at this in a real 1548 00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:13,920 way if that's what they want to do next 1549 00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:15,359 and so i think 1550 00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:17,680 this was the public trial balloon this 1551 00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:20,240 was the are we going to get laughed at 1552 00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:21,520 by the world 1553 00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,240 if if as a legislative body in the 1554 00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:25,920 biggest country in the world 1555 00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:28,400 if we uh if we look at ufos is this 1556 00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:30,319 gonna is this gonna backfire on this 1557 00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:31,839 that did it just the opposite if 1558 00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:34,800 anything it's as bipartisan an issue as 1559 00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,440 we have here in the states uh i i find 1560 00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:39,599 myself being retweeted by 1561 00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:41,200 congressional representatives whose 1562 00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:43,760 politics are completely opposite of mine 1563 00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:46,079 but uh they're they're all in on this 1564 00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:48,160 and what they found was tremendous cover 1565 00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:49,040 they got 1566 00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:50,799 i can't think of any blow back i think 1567 00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:52,880 maybe there was one report in australia 1568 00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:55,119 news where they played the x-files music 1569 00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:57,200 in the background right but when i was 1570 00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:59,359 growing up that was day ragu or any any 1571 00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:02,240 news report on ufos 1572 00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:04,880 ran with x-files music and 1573 00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:07,520 scully and mulder little green men shots 1574 00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,160 from the movie uh mars attacks i mean 1575 00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:12,400 literally that would be the phoenix 1576 00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:14,559 lights were reported where i grew up in 1577 00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,440 san diego with mars attacks clips at the 1578 00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:19,440 beginning right like so 1579 00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,520 yeah i i think uh 1580 00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:23,280 yeah that's what i thought would be fair 1581 00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:24,559 mars attacks is one of the best 1582 00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:28,240 documentaries on this object out there 1583 00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:30,079 listen um we're just running out of time 1584 00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:31,680 and just to wrap up thank you both for 1585 00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:33,839 joining us um this coming week i just 1586 00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,440 want to get final thoughts from from you 1587 00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:37,440 as well on this chris dan we have spoken 1588 00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:39,839 about it but on monday and friday next 1589 00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:41,680 week on youtube my interview with 1590 00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,480 randall nicholson randall nickerson um 1591 00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:46,559 aerial phenomenon documentary and 1592 00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:49,200 director and producer is out and that 1593 00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:50,799 was a fascinating documentary really 1594 00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:52,480 enjoyed it i recommend people check that 1595 00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,880 one out uh chris you wrote an article on 1596 00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:56,559 aerial phenomenon recently as well what 1597 00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:58,319 were your thoughts on the documentary 1598 00:56:01,829 --> 00:56:00,079 and and can i the follow as well from 1599 00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:01,839 that i'll try and keep it short but 1600 00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,640 thanks for asking andy um 1601 00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:06,480 when i watched the documentary the first 1602 00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,119 time chrissy got me a an advanced copy 1603 00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:11,040 uh about a month ago you know because 1604 00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:13,040 what we do for a living and we knew i 1605 00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:14,720 was going to get to rewrite a review of 1606 00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:17,920 it and uh i didn't like it initially i 1607 00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:20,000 made it through the whole 90-plus minute 1608 00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,799 thing 1609 00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,480 and as i was saying on an earlier 1610 00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,000 interview today as i was watching i was 1611 00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:26,640 moving lower and lower in my chair like 1612 00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:28,400 getting more and more depressed and by 1613 00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:30,160 the time the thing was over my wife says 1614 00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:32,720 not good i said i didn't like it then 1615 00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:34,960 something really interesting happened 1616 00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,599 chrissy newton sent me the press kit 1617 00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,599 right now in the and this is this will 1618 00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:42,000 come back to my article but in the press 1619 00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:42,880 kit 1620 00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:44,799 was everything that i thought was 1621 00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,799 missing from the movie 1622 00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:48,720 but meanwhile as a member of the press 1623 00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:50,720 i'm getting this but nobody else is 1624 00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:53,599 getting this so i included what i think 1625 00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:56,480 was most critical in that article and by 1626 00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:58,799 that what i mean was here's what i would 1627 00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:01,040 have liked from randall nickerson i 1628 00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,200 would have liked him to open the film 1629 00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:05,760 with three minutes of information 1630 00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,760 hey i've been researching this for x 1631 00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:09,280 number of years 1632 00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:12,480 i there were 62 students i talked to 45 1633 00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:13,520 of them 1634 00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:14,240 i 1635 00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,040 happen 1636 00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,359 here's the teachers i talked to i think 1637 00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:23,520 a lot of us wanted that forensic 1638 00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:25,280 analysis the same way i'm talking about 1639 00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,520 a special investigator getting in there 1640 00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:29,520 and finding the details about these 1641 00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:31,359 things i think that's what i really 1642 00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:32,880 wanted from that story because i think 1643 00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:35,200 we kind of knew that like the kids all 1644 00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:38,079 saw something and 20 years later they're 1645 00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:39,920 all saying yeah i saw something like 1646 00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:42,319 that the story hadn't changed so we 1647 00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:44,079 really wanted him to dig in and find 1648 00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,119 more 1649 00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:47,280 well he put all that in the press kit so 1650 00:57:52,829 --> 00:57:50,079 i included that in my article so if you 1651 00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:52,839 want to re if you want to watch the 1652 00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:55,599 documentary do what i did rather than 1653 00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:58,000 watching it being depressed 1654 00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,680 read my article and there's a but you 1655 00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:01,599 can even scroll down in my article the 1656 00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:04,240 sentence starts like luckily for debrief 1657 00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:06,960 readers i have included that information 1658 00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:09,280 from the press kit right here and then 1659 00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:11,920 in there is how many people we talked to 1660 00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:14,480 the fact that none of them have changed 1661 00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:16,880 their story he spoke to over 40 of the 1662 00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:18,960 60 students the fact that all of them 1663 00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:21,040 still have the same recollections and 1664 00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:24,319 literally the only person he met who 1665 00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:26,160 changed their story from the beginning 1666 00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:29,200 to the end was one teacher who back in 1667 00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:32,240 1994 didn't believe it happened and now 1668 00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:33,839 believes it did 1669 00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:36,000 and now says he believes the students it 1670 00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,839 was literally and there's always here 1671 00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:39,440 the number of hours he put in the number 1672 00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:41,200 of interviews so i would have loved a 1673 00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:43,520 three-minute opening where he said hey i 1674 00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:45,760 talked to these people i did this 1675 00:58:49,829 --> 00:58:48,160 let us understand that the leg work and 1676 00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:49,839 and the actual mechanics of what went 1677 00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:51,760 into this research and then when you 1678 00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,680 watch the documentary so then i watched 1679 00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:55,599 it again 1680 00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:57,200 and when i watched the second time with 1681 00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:58,559 that information in my head i was 1682 00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:00,960 completely satisfied it was like 1683 00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:03,040 oh this all 1684 00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:06,400 has context now so uh not too much of a 1685 00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:08,319 self plug here but if you're thinking 1686 00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:09,680 about renting it or you're thinking 1687 00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:11,920 about watching it go to the debrief 1688 00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:15,200 click on my article it's a real docu 1689 00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:17,040 phenomenon a 1690 00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:18,799 journey worth taking or something is the 1691 00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:19,760 headline 1692 00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:22,400 and uh yes down there in the article 1693 00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:23,920 along with a lot of cool photos and 1694 00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:25,839 stuff and drawings from the kids and 1695 00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:27,920 stuff i put in there but i gave that 1696 00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:29,520 piece information i felt that was the 1697 00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:32,000 only thing that was missing and once you 1698 00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:33,440 add that in 1699 00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:35,040 all of a sudden you're oriented it's 1700 00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:36,880 like it's like eating in a restaurant 1701 00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,000 and all of a sudden somebody hands you 1702 00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:40,400 the menu you go okay now i know where i 1703 00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:41,760 know what all these things on my plate 1704 00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:44,559 are i know where everything came from so 1705 00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:46,880 once that was in my head i was like wow 1706 00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:49,119 what an impressive piece of film this 1707 00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:50,480 guy's made here do you know what it 1708 00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,920 sounds like chris for you as you know 1709 00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:53,520 you get those artists that do a drawing 1710 00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:54,960 and it makes no sense when you see them 1711 00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:56,960 doing it and they speed paint and then 1712 00:59:59,829 --> 00:59:58,480 at the end you're like there's something 1713 01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:59,839 there but i can't quite make it out and 1714 01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:01,200 then they turn it upside down and it's 1715 01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:03,599 john lennon yeah right yeah 1716 01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:05,280 right that's that's exactly what's 1717 01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:07,839 happened with you and that is exactly i 1718 01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:09,440 watched it that first time and i was 1719 01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:10,799 walking around the house and at this 1720 01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:12,799 point chrissy newton was talking to me 1721 01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:14,960 about the debrief having the exclusive 1722 01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:17,119 to write the review before the movie 1723 01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,839 came out and i was telling her i 1724 01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:21,599 don't know that i'm going to write that 1725 01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:24,480 that positive and glowing of a review i 1726 01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:26,480 am the science editor at the debrief i'm 1727 01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:28,799 not the ufo editor that's mike it covers 1728 01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:31,119 that so and tim gets into the defense 1729 01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:33,440 side of it so uh but once i had that 1730 01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:35,359 information and she got me and i read 1731 01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:36,720 everything i said 1732 01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:39,359 this interview he has a q a in the press 1733 01:00:42,549 --> 01:00:40,799 kit he has an interview i've told her we 1734 01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:42,559 should put it all up on the website so i 1735 01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:44,319 think she's working on that so we can 1736 01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:45,599 put all his behind-the-scenes 1737 01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:47,440 information up there and i know he's 1738 01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:51,119 working on another uh like a dvd style 1739 01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:52,640 you know a streaming release that has a 1740 01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:55,359 bunch of extras to it so yeah i think he 1741 01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:57,359 said there was a director's cut coming 1742 01:01:02,309 --> 01:00:59,680 that he was yeah he's got like 190 hours 1743 01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:02,319 of footage he hasn't used i i'd be happy 1744 01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:03,920 to pay and watch every single second of 1745 01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:05,839 that right that's what i said i could 1746 01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:08,079 just put it up on a website somewhere 1747 01:01:11,109 --> 01:01:09,839 i'll watch every single hour of 1748 01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:11,119 interview you have with every one of 1749 01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,640 these kids because somewhere there is 1750 01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:14,400 some gold that you missed 1751 01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:15,760 well you've got the article and then 1752 01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:17,040 you've got the interview that i've done 1753 01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:18,559 next week as well and if that still 1754 01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,480 doesn't convince you then nothing will 1755 01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:22,319 but i recommend people part with their 1756 01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:24,400 money it's worth a lot of effort did go 1757 01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:26,160 into it like you say chris as well he it 1758 01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:28,000 was 15 years in the making and that's 1759 01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:29,839 not an exaggeration when you listen to 1760 01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:31,520 randall talk about it as well but 1761 01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:32,960 gentlemen thank you very much for 1762 01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:34,799 joining us thank you to everyone who 1763 01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:36,319 tuned into the live the numbers have 1764 01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:38,400 just kept going up so thank you very 1765 01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:40,079 much we do we do always say we're going 1766 01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:41,920 to do more of these and we'll try we'll 1767 01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:43,599 try and at least do another one in june 1768 01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:45,760 at some point uh go and check out dan's 1769 01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:47,680 interview with dr michelle fournier on 1770 01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:50,480 his new pod coloring outside the lines 1771 01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:52,640 uh that was on dan whale song whale 1772 01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:55,280 language and basically you know you you 1773 01:01:59,910 --> 01:01:57,599 tell them you tell them that yeah i mean 1774 01:02:03,109 --> 01:01:59,920 dr michelle foney is a marine ecologist 1775 01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:03,119 and she's studying uh how species 1776 01:02:07,029 --> 01:02:04,799 communicate via acoustics basically 1777 01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:07,039 decoding whale song and whale language 1778 01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:08,799 really interesting interview and and 1779 01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:10,400 really speaks to the complexity of the 1780 01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,559 world we have and how life as we know it 1781 01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:14,559 as a phrase really is is a bit limited 1782 01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:16,000 and it's kind of being broadened out the 1783 01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:18,000 more we learn about the universe so i 1784 01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:19,119 thought it was really fascinating 1785 01:02:21,990 --> 01:02:20,640 interview and i'd recommend anyone go 1786 01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:22,000 watch that because she is one of the 1787 01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:23,200 people the government are going to send 1788 01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:24,960 helicopters to when they need to cut the 1789 01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:27,200 alien languages 1790 01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:28,880 uh gentlemen thank you both your time